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Feature Article:
* Exclusive *
"Interview with Internet Marketing Pro Ryan Deiss"
By: Mike Merz
Ryan Deiss is the founder of SoftnicheSolutions.com, the
creator of opt in Automator, the author of 'Niche Factors'
and the co-author of 'How To Create Best Sellers Online'
with Jimmy D. Brown. Ryan Deiss is both a successful
Internet Marketer, and newsletter publisher. He has some
interesting feedback for us.
Read on ...
MM
Ryan, I'm so glad you made time for us ... I'm a big fan of
you and your work.
RD
Thanks Mike, I'm happy to do it.
MM
With software the likes of opt in Automator to your credit,
and years of successful newsletter publishing, you're
obviously no stranger to email marketing ...
How important are autoresponders to your email campaign
strategy?
RD
I think autoresponders are an absolute must if you want to do
business online. They're just as important as getting a
hosting account, and we all know that you can't have a business
without a web host.
Personally, I wouldn't be able to do business without them.
MM
Do you employ any methods or practices in your
autoresponder driven campaigns that you'd consider unique?
Or common techniques that you've modified to generate better
results?
RD
One thing that I do that I don't see done near enough, is to
add my solo mailings to my autoresponder followup messages.
Let me explain...
Let's say I'm using autoresponders as a lead generator for
one of my products. We'll use mine and Jimmy D. Brown's
"Potential Best-Seller Product Idea List" that we use to
promote our product "How To Create Best-Sellers Online."
[This ecourse is available at
http://www.createbestsellers.com/ecourse.htm ]
Anyway, so my mission is to get as many people as possible
to signup for this ecourse, and then have my autoresponder
followup series finish the selling process. But beyond just
being a lead-generator for my product, this ecourse also
builds a good-sized list of folks that might be interested
in other products related to product development and online
marketing.
So, like good marketers, Jimmy and I often promote other
people's products to people on this list via solo mailings.
Now this is nothing new, but most marketers just stop there.
What I recommend doing, however, is to then add these solo
mailings to your followup series. This way, the people who
signup after you send out the mailing will still receive the
offer.
If you do this with all of your autoresponder messages, you
can literally build up years worth of promotions that are all
delivered on autopilot. It won't bring you windfall profits,
but the sales that trickle in every now and then will start to add
up after a while.
Another strategy that I haven't personally used myself, but
that I plan to try is "Fast Forwarding" my messages. This is a
feature I can set-up with my autoresponder offers. Basically
the way it works is it allows the recipient to fast forward
the message, or receive them all at once.
If you offer a 7-day ecourse, for example, and your reader
doesn't want to wait the full 7 days to receive each issue,
give the reader the option to make a second request to have
all of them sent to their inbox at once. If you're dealing
with a truly rabid potential customer, this could shorten
the selling process quite a bit.
MM
Taking your past successes into consideration, you simply
MUST have developed advanced list building techniques ...
Care to share a few with our readers? ;)
RD
To be honest, I don't do anything overly special or unique.
I still believe, however, that special reports and ecourses
will build a list faster than a newsletter. It's the instant
gratification that people really go for, and if you create a
site that actually "sells" the f'ree report, you can actually
build a list pretty quickly.
Also, I've made the decision to shift everything to double
opt in. For me, it's not about the spam laws, although that
is certainly a consideration. Mostly, I just want to build the
highest quality lists possible. In my experiences, a double
opt in list of 1000 will pull better than a single opt in list
of 10,000. Why? Because these people are quality subscribers.
By forcing them to jump through an extra hoop, you ensure
that they take your emails seriously, which in this day and
age is a difficult thing to accomplish.
Also, I've found around 90% of the people who signup from
my site go ahead and complete the confirmation process, so
the drop-off really isn't that bad.
MM
Do you advocate the use of co registration services to
accelerate the list building process?
If not, why?
RD
Co-reg lists are tricky...
In my opinion, if you're going to use them, you need to treat
them like totally cold prospects. By that I mean, never
purchase co-reg names and then just dump them in your
newsletter or general mailing list. These people don't know
who you are, and many will issue spam complaints again
you.
Personally, I know some marketers who have built lists of
over 100,000 single opt in names, almost totally through
co-reg. The problem is, you don't get paid by how many
people you have on your list, you get paid by how much
those people buy. And I would pit my double opt in list of
10,000 over a co-reg list of 100,000 single opt ins any day.
A better way to handle co-reg is to funnel them through an
autoresponder series separate from your primary mailing
lists. Deliver quality content for a few weeks, with zero
offers, and then and only then invite them to join one of your
other lists. If they don't opt in, after a few tries, consider
them gone for good. (The fact is, you never had them in the
first place.)
It does not matter, how qualified the co-reg company claims
that the names are ... if they don't specifically opt in to
your list, from your site, I wouldn't consider them quality subs.
MM
Have you considered HTML formatting in your email
campaigns? ... or do you prefer traditional text?
RD
I actually use HTML formatting for my "Profit Diary," which
is available for f'ree at http://www.ProfitDiary.com. The problem is that HTML gets pummeled by the spam filters, so
if I were to do it all over again I would use plain ol' text.
As it is, I send out an issue in HTML format, and then send
out another, text-based email, the next day letting my subscribers
know that they can read the issue online if they didn't
receive it in their inbox.
MM
I don't think it's possible for me to go any further without
hearing your opinion of the recent CAN-SPAM Act of 2003.
What effect has it had on email marketing, in general?
RD
It hasn't effected my marketing one bit as far as I can tell.
Other than the hassle of having to go back and add a mailing
address to all my autoresponder messages, it's really a pretty
benign law.
The fact is, governments will never be able to legislate spam
laws, because the majority of spam will simply be routed
through other countries. When it all comes down to it, this is
an election year, and our politician friends in Washington
D.C. simply wanted to be able to tell their constituents that
they helped to stop spam.
One thing I am grateful for, however, in regards to the CAN-
SPAM Act is that it stopped that crazy law that California
was trying to pass. I'm not an attorney so I don't want to get
into this too much, but in my opinion, spam legislation will
only effect the legitimate email marketers negatively. The
spammers will simply find a way around the law.
MM
Along similar lines ... how have you, personally, dealt with
the filtering issues?
RD
In all honesty it hasn't been that much of a problem. Sure, I
get reports from subscribers that they didn't receive the last
issue of my "Profit Diary," but that's just the cost of doing
business. If I were doing direct mail, I wouldn't expect a
100% delivery rate, so I think we're naïve to expect the same
with email.
In the end, if you build a quality opt in list and tell your
subscribers to look for your emails, you'll be ok.
MM
What's happening in the world of Ryan Deiss, these days ...
anything new? ... in the works? ... on the horizon?
RD
I'm actually about to release a video product called "The
Quick Start System" very soon that people should keep an
eye out for. Also, Jimmy D. Brown and I are always trying to
kick up something new and different. :o)
If someone wants to stay up-to-date on new product releases,
I highly recommend that they subscribe to my "Profit Diary"
over at http://www.ProfitDiary.com . This is the main list that I use to communicate with my customers and prospects.
MM
Thanks for joining us today, Ryan ... it was a real treat!
RD
Anytime Mike, I enjoyed it. Hopefully DEMC readers will
pick up one or two things that they didn't already know.
Stay tuned for next month's autoresponder master interview...
Who is it, you ask? ... ;)
Regards,
Mike Merz
###
Mike Merz is a well known Internet Marketing expert, specializing
in Online newbie campaign start ups, and is the owner of ...
Internet Marketing For Newbies
The IM4Newbies Forum
The IM4Newbies Update
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=== Help Request ===
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I publish a financial newsletter and I would like ideas
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I welcome all assistance and considerations.
Thanks,
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=== Answer for Paul ===
Paul's Question:
> Are ezines a good place to advertise as of late? I mean
> maybe 2-3 years ago but right now with filters and can spam
> if I put the wrong word in my subject line I can't even
> email my brother on AOL!
> ...can ezines produce customers today like they did
> 2 years ago. Is it really worth using them to advertise?
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From: Dave Turner
Paul:
It is very difficult to assess the full impact of spam
filters on ezine publishers at this point, but at the very
least, it's extremely challenging. That's why it's more
important than ever to avoid using words or phases that
trigger filters.
Having said that, I wouldn't give up on ezine advertising
just yet. I would just be more selective of the ezines I
advertised in. If you stick to reputable ezines like DEMC,
you can rest assured, your advertising message will be seen.
How can I be so sure? Because smart, determined and
resourceful ezine publishers like Abbie Drew and others
have worked too hard for too many years to give up on their
ezines without putting up a fight. That's why they have a
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Perhaps one of the reasons your emails aren't getting
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Yours in success,
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http://www.dave-turner.com
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